I have found, when dealing with JWs, the less said the better off you will be. Good luck.
I agree. KQT! Keep Quiet and Think. You are now in the mouth of the Lion. Tread very carefully.
i’m reservations, pimo elder.
i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
any ideas?.
I have found, when dealing with JWs, the less said the better off you will be. Good luck.
I agree. KQT! Keep Quiet and Think. You are now in the mouth of the Lion. Tread very carefully.
it's been about 10 years since i posted here.
a lot's happened of course.
but here's where i'm at right now.. i was never (to my knowledge) disfellowshipped.
Deserter, I agree with SBF and others who said No to disassociation. You are not planning on moving and starting over, therefore, I recommend you play the "Not Disassociated or disfellowshipped" game. You are "spiritually weak" possibly having depression from being locked up by Covid. Oh, as for your wonderful Mom's gifts of money, this should graciously be accepted. Fact 1: If you don't take her money now or inherit it because Mom writes you out of Her Last Will and Testemont I can assure you that your siblings and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society will end up spending every penny that should rightfully be yours. Fact 2: When that happens: You will be Piss-ethed! (Proverbs x:31)
Therefore, put you head in my hands and listen to me carefully. You must not say a word to Mom that changes her opinion of you and your family, FROM currently being an inactive, weak and having doubts JW, TO, "an ungodly APOSTATE that has returned to their vomit! From today foward, you have your own special "Spiritual Warfare" rules of engagement. Look, WT double speaks on every level. They are masters of playing the game at your expense! Therefore, You have spoken with a doctor about depression, anxiety, and panick attacks, perhaps ED. You read the Bible everyday and finding strength in Jehovah's words and are conducting a "family study". You hope that the depression will leave soon. Don't say anymore or get into any more details.
I visited with a professional family counselor of 40 years experience (NOT JW) when I was facing a character assassination by my "fleshly" brothers and sisters and I will share what she advised me. And it's all for FREE! and of the internet, two wonderful ingredients for success! (Your mileage may vary)
After Dad's death, at one time, my Mom wanted to be part of my family, and she would keep my son one day a week and I noticed when we got him home after his day with Gran he was obviously having conflicting thoughts. He was 4 years old at the time and Mom was sowing seeds that eroded our parenting. At this time, we still were very active in the congregation but Mom was being fed lies by sisters that were in the over glorified "Full Time Service" that also didn't want to have to work or make their husbands that were in manly men "fun and drinking brotherhood" of Kingdom Hall builders to provide for their financial needs. So, They had taken emotional control over Mom "protecting" her from my evil and Spiritual death. I was favored by my Father and they were jealous of my influence. When Dad died, Siblings thought, "You may have had Dad, but he is dead, and we will get control over Mom who is living, then we will have Mom cut you out of her Will.
Knee Jerk reaction: I wanted to stop Grandmother's "special" day visiting son, however, The family counselor recommended not taking that visiting day away from Gran. The counselor said that children are resilient and that we could lovingly guide son back regardless of what is said by Gran. Counselor told me straight up, with the character assasination and the lies told by my sisters that I would never be able to reestablish the great relationship I had with Mom previously before Dad's death. She said, In a majority of families, when one parent dies, the "less loved" siblings of the dead parent will work to take over emotional control of the surviving parent. From my experience, JW, elder, pioneer, full time servant for over 12 years my wife and I combined, it doesn't matter, the fight to get control of Mom's emotions IS to control her money, and it will get to be a very dirty street fight. I tried for years to associate with Mom not for her, but for me. The counselor said that I need to try to have a relationship with Mom for my benefit. After she passes away, I could reason in my heart, I tried.
Ok, next point. I mentioned spiritual warfare. My observation is if an individual comes to the Memorial once a year, you will be tolerated by most JW families. However, Watch Tower (two words) would love you to take yourself out of the equation by disassociating yourself. That means more uncontested money in WT's pocket to further their fraud. The last two years with Zoom meeting has been easy. If you eventually have to go to a Memorial, it's spiritual warfare! You are preventing money that could go potentially to WTBTS. Perhaps you feel bad about not making these actions "whole souled" or that you are a hypocrite! Suck it up and play the part! 84.36 percent of JW's are hypicritical two faced liars and they coverup for Pedephiles. I am confident you can come up with a cheap ill fitting suit to do one meeting a year. Do not show wealth by dressing up. Your family needs to look pitiful. Not like the man at the stop light with a cardboard sign saying he needs $10 to go home pitiful. If you can't make the meetings and someone asks, just say the economy is ruthless with inflation yada yada.
i asked a tennis friend this morning what he thought about what’s going on in afghanistan and he said it was terrible.
he was a military man and identifies as a middle of the road republican.
he supported most of trump’s policies but voted for biden because he couldn’t take trump’s mean tweets.
I had someone make a similar comment about Trump's Tweets. OK, I get it and agree that Trump should have at minimum cabinet members that filter and edited Tweets. Trump should not be left alone with a phone.
i asked a tennis friend this morning what he thought about what’s going on in afghanistan and he said it was terrible.
he was a military man and identifies as a middle of the road republican.
he supported most of trump’s policies but voted for biden because he couldn’t take trump’s mean tweets.
"That brings the total cost - based on official data - to $822bn between 2001 and 2019, but it doesn't include any spending in Pakistan, which the US uses as a base for Afghan-related operations." (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47391821)
80% of a trillion dollars spent over 20 years, so after 911 "Terrorist wouldn't attack the US again on our home soil" and the USA/Mexico border is closed to legal immigration but open for illegal immigration and used by people from countries all over the world that could afford transportation to Mexico and pay the human and drug Cartels for passage. Terrorist? Great! Murderers? Even Better! Rapist? Getting Close! Drug Dealers? Felons? Yes, you are personally invited by invitation to America!
The Current Administration: Self-serving, incompetent traitors. Priceless!
so this kid adds trombone-effects to his mothers life and, well, if you haven't seen it you have to watch it.
seems like she see's the funny side for some of them at least.. it's awesome and hilarious.
kudos to them both.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhlfcezkvko.
That was funny, thank you so much. There is a saxophone player in Savannah, Georgia that plays on the riverwalk and will play various theme songs according to how he sizes up a family, couple, or individual. When he plays the theme from the Flintstones and you look at the family it is hilarious.
news is broadcasting that death valley is getting close to breaking a record.
the highest air temp recorded is 134 but that was in 1913 way before the huge spike in co2.
now its 130 and its the end of the world.
LOL, according to the Democrats The border Crisis with all the immigrants rushing the border is because of global warming. Joe Biden's policies have nothing to do with it.
this is so eerily similar to the whitewashing and revisionist history practices by the governing body that it’s downright scary.
in reality it’s far, far worse as the powers behind the current practices have real power and influence.
they aren’t just some overweight buffoons worried about young men humping their pillows.. .
Unfortunately, it used to be that "Truth" and the Facts hid under rocks. With the internet and supporting warriors and their websites against WTBTS BS their gig is not so fruitful and they are being exposed to sincere individuals looking for the Facts.
i hate anyone bothering me going door to door and house to house.
maybe it’s my jw background?
i dunno..
A Fox commentator said tonight to get a "NO Trespassing" sign and call the police if they do. The Democrats love for you to think that they can make better decisions for you and your family than you can. The Vaccines are still approved for Emergency Use Only. When you get a vaccine you must sign a waiver for holding the government, doctor, or pharmacy liable for ANY adverse reactions. I understand that the virus has killed over 600K in the USA, there is a good percentage of individuals over 60 that have received two shots and that's great. Forcing a vaccine on younger ones (under 21) is ridiculous.
i’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.
now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.
even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.
asp59, That is whipping the "proverbial" horse to death isn't it?
i’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.
now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.
even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.
"the 80+ year old I talked about never had children, I assume because of believing all the JW hype thru the years and 10 years ago his pioneer wife was killed in a car crash by a drunk driver."
My pimi mother was at a Rutherford Convention that released the Children's Book that discouraged marriage or children. Perhaps these stories told could give me hope that she COULD change her condemnatory attitude and shunning for me. It would be nice to have "Mom" back but I'm not getting my hopes up. I've considered the "what if's" but there is not a lot to talk about with her other than my secular work.
I don't think the present GB has the hunger, creativity, talent, imagination, or know-how to navigate the present or future of the organization that has existed in years prior by Russell, Rutherford, Franz, or Knorr. The GB 2.1 should have sacrificed/"character assassinated" one GB for the Child Sexual Abuse worldwide and put all the sins on that one sacrificial lamb/goat and delivered it to Jehovah as the "scapegoat". Proclaimed that there was an apostate in their midst who was a pedophile, but now they have "cleaned the spiritual temple" and Jehovah will bless them as never before. Then, just watch the money roll in! (It happened in the 1979 purge)
One of the tools that the organization had working well is that they kept people busy enough that they couldn't think about the "why are we doing this"? or have discussions that were not narrated by WT paragraphs and questions to divert and channel thinking. In the last two years the common publishers have had a lot of time alone and in small groups to drink coffee/whisky and talk. I remember one CO's saying that the "Society" didn't recommend that individuals move away from their "families in the truth" because many times the younger couple wouldn't come back to the KH. The WTBTS leaders have the numbers in front of them of what they will lose in publishers and financial support and I believe they are willing to adjust to a smaller "great crowd" that they can control and is not such a financial burden.
Look, they have been setting up publisher's wills and trusts for 140 years, they hobnob with the elite trusts and hedge funds and financially, the crazy-wack-o "Governing Body" doesn't take care of the financial means of the organization they only have a decisive influence over the "spiritual" food. The real "corporation" is a money-making machine and it is obviously run it to make money by the President/Board of Directors. The GB can bash the governments for trying to get back to normal because their "interest is in their own financial means and taxes". lol, like the WTBTS is not. No, WTBTS is interested in the bottom line, but they have some cushion and realize it and are willing to lose some baggage and cargo for the ship to roll on for another 100 years with a smaller kingdom of great crowd supporters.